The fishy part of the claim is that transformations of any kind don't appear to work that way. Vegeta was constantly told he was the best, and he believed his own hype so much that he didn't take training as serious as he should have. Here is evidence of Super Buu being stronger than Kid Buu. The Mathemagician . It could be assumed that his power was somewhere around equal to Goku's at this point in time (kind of hard to tell, as Goku began dealing with the heart virus). Let's move on to Kid Buu, and the final battle. This fighting style is available to him because he's got it to spare. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Universe Mission!! Bottom line: It's been confirmed that Vegeta's spirit is stronger than Goku's! Goku has a better student mindset, he sees himself as the guy who needs to learn rather than the guy who should be ahead already. Secondly, though Vegeta's extreme pride played a part in his ability to resist the mind control, the fact that the magic didn't fully work on him might have been a sign that he was too strong for it to really work in the first place. He got an excuse to be evil. There was a fan-theory that shed some light on this - it comes down to their fighting styles: Vegeta was trained as a soldier, and learned how to fight armies. I always see Vegeta going all out, but Goku conserving his strength. Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. He beats up Cell, and seems like he's finally going to save the day. But who gets up to finish Cooler? 1 Goku Isn't Stronger Than Jiren. The reason that Goku became stronger than them is because Vegeta and Trunks' initial approach to getting stronger was just to try and pump more power into the Ssj form, which worked to a degree but resulted in an issue with muscle mass and the killing of speed as a result. This worked because of Freiza's 4th Form and what it was all about: Speed. Frieza did increase his power to fight Goku, but the question is, how much? Could he have actually learned the form if he hadn't been dead? Vegeta has always been stronger than Goku, but only with them at the same level.On the Sayan saga, when they fought on their base form, Goku needed th While there is a 30-minute time limit, that’s more than enough for Gotenks to beat Vegeta. Could he have "done it right" as Gohan did? If I remember correctly, Vegeta starts training with Whis first, and then he is able to go Blue before Goku, no? Goku clearly has surpassed Vegeta in strength more times than Vegeta surpassed Goku. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission! We use a [Watsonian point of view](http://fanlore.org/wiki/Watsonian_vs._Doylist), versus Doylist. Either it's pride, or obsession, or ego, whatever is getting to him that day that causes him to lose focus. It just happens that all of the major enemies of the Z fighters are a single (or double) super opponent, so Goku's style is more efficient. Vegeta is significantly stronger than Goku when they first meet. Given he has fought against opponents from many different schools, he's probably the most well rounded martial artist there is. Secondly, as has been said, he had the powerful Supersaiyan 3 transformation at his disposal, but there's another issue here, and that's Goku's energy problems. That wasn't what happened in the Vegeta/Goku fight, proving that this was not an exponential increase. Vegeta was the one to aid Gohan in his final defeat of Cell. Natural talent is a part of the reason. Evidence? In Broly Part II, a similar thing happens where Goten and Trunks pass out, but only Goten gets up. But as I said before since Goku was dead (from sacrificing himself against Cell), he had yet another opportunity to train in other world, where he had absolutely no limits on his body or to his power, as Vegeta had limits on Earth. Since UI Goku >>>>> Uub. Though I've read somewhere on this wiki that Babidi's control did in fact give him an increase in power, just not an overly drastic one such as being able to transform into a Super Saiyan 2. See, Vegeta is already better than Goku in a lot of ways. The Hyperbolic Time Chamber makes that happen. Fanboi: 347: 12/15 3:02PM: The Androids should've been no stronger than, at best, initial Freeza. If they both had trained under similar conditions their entire lives, Vegeta might have become stronger. Saiyans like Vegeta only went after small fry who they could easily beat. Whereas, Vegeta was simply great upon his birth and didn't have to overcome the simplest things. However, even then, even with his pride working against him and his doubt eating away, Vegeta manages to hurt Perfect Cell very badly with a Final Flash. So, there you have it. But word has it he also trained under Kami. Goku nearly died after hitting his head when he was a child, giving him a huge boost from the very beggining. He said he was only using "a small fraction" of his power previously. Goku trains like a mad man. Goku always trained for the World Martial Arts Tournament, and learned how to handle single combat encounters. This is something Goku, in his estimation of his own abilities, said maybe to, if he was Supersaiyan 3. Goku, in his normal Super Saiyan transformations, isn't good enough for Jiren, and as of right now, he cannot, by will, tap into Ultra Instinct. It is of great importance that Vegeta and Goku were evenly matched (as Supersaiyan 2s) when Vegeta was endowed with Majin ability from Babidi. Vegeta says that the reason Goku continues to get stronger and break past his limits is because his motivation for training was greater. The case will be made here that Babidi did not give Vegeta much, if anything. An exponential increase -- such as that granted from a new transformation -- has unfailingly tipped the scales in favour of even laughably weaker fighters. This impresses even ME! Before encountering the earthlings, Vegeta didn't know how to sense ki or how to raise/lower his power level. He overcalculated, and he second-guessed, deciding the form was worthless from the outset, whereas Trunks at least tried it against Cell. Piccolo actually looked like he would be able to defeat Frieza after fusing with Nail. However, it ought to be so, since Goku once more has an advantage in transformations: Supersaiyan 3. He knew what the Saiyans could bring, so he kept Vegeta, and he watched him, and he learned his weaknesses quite deliberately. Hence, I can conclude without a doubt based on this evidence that Vegeta isn't stronger than Beerus. Here we can finally have some meaningful comparison. TBH I'm not sure that is true. We'll never know because he didn't even try. ^Great post. It was a personal thing, he was saying Goku is #1 as in he is superior to him and Vegeta is always a step behind and whenever Vegeta does get stronger Goku steps up to the plate and surpasses him again. The creators of the anime must have felt the same way, because their disdain for the character showed even in their added content and the completely original DBZ movies. When Vegeta runs out of energy and drops form, Kid Buu's attacks should have killed him. Vegeta has a masssive inferiority complex about ANYTHING that Goku does that might make him stronger, which is both a blessing and a curse. Just because it's Raspberry. One thing to point out in this saga is Frieza's catlike nature. So you'd think in the Buu saga, Vegeta would have come around and cared for his family, right? Warning Spoilers: A squad of Moro's henchmen arrive on Yardrat to … However Goku was trained to fight one on one. As a final musing at the close of Dragonball Z, Goku's bountiful energy supplies have been a factor all along. And he gains techniques on seeing them. But once Goku discovered the advantages of mastering the initial Super Saiyan transformation, he was able to lessen the weaknesses of the Super Saiyan transformation, such as burning to much energy at once. He explicitly says "you were born with so much natural talent that no matter how much I trained, you were always a step above me" or something like that. Here there is simply no data for comparison, except to say that Vegeta fought (and presumably gained power) while Goku lied in bed recovering. Why, Goku of course! What that means is that Goku learned to get stronger by approaching masters and learning new techniques. Even though it's a much better idea to try the fusion dance first. goku just gains some powerup that by luck keeps him ahead. He said he would return Vegeta's power to the way it was before he changed. By the time Frieza went on the offensive, his psychological warfare had taken full effect: Vegeta's pride was gone, he was questioning himself and his strength, and he was even crying. Goku clearly has surpassed Vegeta in strength more times than Vegeta surpassed Goku. That increased his power level by 300 times. Vegeta Was Stronger Before Goku Trained With King Kai. This could be one reason why Goku is stronger, most of the enemies after the saibamen fought one on one, or at most 2 versus 1. Goku’s base strength is so pitiful that it can’t even keep up with a Vegeta who’s just warming up, the Elite Saiyan forcing Goku to trigger Kaioken immediately or perish. So yeah he definitely is ahead. It's awesome. He's pretty selfish. It was the ultimate joke of the series. If you do, you may not be ready for the final battle and get taken out early. Vegeta has always been stronger than Goku, but only with them at the same level.On the Sayan saga, when they fought on their base form, Goku needed th Besides which, psychological warfare would never have worked on Goku any more than it would work on a brick. Nope, but it was damn satisfying though lol. The Kaioken technique allowed Goku to reach power that could rival Vegeta's. Any other Buu, yes. Goku just got ssj from his rage during battle, he had to train nonstop in heaven to get ssj2,3 and he just got SSG (and followingbthat blue) from a ritual. Because he's Goku's son. he's childish and naive, but pretty much anything he actually cares about learning about he becomes an expert in. No risk of being fused together forever. Still, since both Goku and Vegeta have access to the same transformation, it should theoretically indicate who is stronger. As for the baby Cells each beating up a character (including Vegeta), that's easy. But Vegeta, having the guns, would most likely waste an entire clip on a Raspberry. This is understandable and expected, since Vegeta was the villain at that time. In combat. Case proven and rested. It wasn't until the 3 three years that the Z Fighter trained for the Androids that Vegeta finally became a Super Saiyan (probably due to his massive gravity training and desire to become one). In the Namek Saga and Ginyu Saga, it can be assumed that for a brief period, because of Goku's intense (and senzu bean cheaty-cheaty) gravity training on his way to the planet Namek, he may have surpassed Vegeta in raw power for a short time. They have to be, since scouters explode at well below those powerlevels. You assess the situation and learn how the enemy is and then approach in a manner that is effective for energy conservation and defeating the opponent. Namekian regeneration + Saiyan Zenkai = OP.). We all know the story of Vegeta. çYeah, I realized that was my mistake. But this is not the Saiyan way. Maybe this was another Universe and our beloved DBZ universe is one of the other ones lol, like a Tales From The Multiverse or something. Other characters falter and fall because they plainly get beat up. With the Zenkai experienced by Vegeta, this gap narrowed. I guess it would be Kami's boss? Majin Vegeta told a Super Saiyan 2 Goku that he was stronger than Gohan (Cell arc). Indeed Vegeta gave it everything he had (quite literally) but it's still a good point for comparison because they shouldn't be that close with a transformation gap, unless Vegeta was a whole lot stronger. This fighting style is available to him that day that causes him to lose focus took Krillin... 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